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Old 07-26-2011, 12:00 PM
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Default Comet Elenin Research needed

Comet Elenin Research needed

Tony writes:

Below is the information on Elenin that I discussed with Dave (PVCC) yesterday. NASA dismisses Elenin as a harmless comet, but every time it aligns with the sun and earth, massive earthquakes occur. There is a credible body of evidence that it may be something massive and even NASA admits it is going to be close to earth in a few weeks.

Here is a link to NASA’s orbital browser that shows Elenin approaching.

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratories (JPL) website has an Elenin orbital simulator which displays a really nice interactive display of the solar system with all the planets and the incoming Elenin mass. You can go directly there with this address: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sst...log=0#phys_par

Hopefully someone from PAS can look into Elenin and assess its size.
I will check back with you in early August.
Thanks, Tony

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Some links I (Terri) found on this comet. Please add to the link collection within this forum,
and if other info is discovered, send it my way. We may wish to put something about this Comet in the next newsletter.


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135

http://news.discovery.com/space/will...-prophecy.html

http://spaceobs.org/en/tag/comet-elenin/

http://www.universetoday.com/86421/c...st-passing-by/
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Default Harbinger of death ?

It is so nice that our group has a sense of humor.

I got a great laugh out of this and thought I should share it.

Tim writes:

Hey - we all know that Elenin is the harbinger of death. Don't believe me, read this absolutely trustworthy blog:

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/...hat-comet.html

He, he, ha, ha, ha ...

Guess I'll start stocking up on beans, bullets, batteries, and water.
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Tony Writes:

My simple request is for someone in PAS to actually LOOK for Elenin in the sky and attempt to assess its size. I am not an astronomer, but have seen that massive earthquakes repeatedly occur when Elenin aligns with the sun, and the earth is between the two of them.

I would like to post additional credible information on the forum and have registered with the PAS site, but am unable to do so. Can you please reply and let me know what is required for me to post to the forum? I am happy to become a member and pay any dues necessary.

A quote that I have found to play itself out over and over again in life is:

There is a principle,

which is a bar against all information,

which is proof against all argument,

and which cannot fail to keep man in

EVERLASTING INGORANCE!

That principle is:

condemnation BEFORE investigation.

-EDMUND SPENCER

I am hoping that at least one member of your group is willing to actually look for Elenin in the sky and conduct your own, direct investigation and assessment of its mass before your membership follows the mainstream press and astronomical groups whom blindly believe NASA and dismiss Elenin as a harmless comet, WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING FOR IT. Per Dave Hellmann, it should be close enough now to view with a reasonably large telescope.

Attached is some additional information on Elenin which if read with an open mind, raises a lot of questions about Elenin that remain unanswered. I am determined to find someone, anyone locally who will take the propaganda being issued by the mainstream with a grain of salt; and simply take the time to go looking for Elenin and attempt to assess its size.

Thank you again for your attention to investigating Elenin before dismissing it as harmless,

Please let me know what is necessary for my contributing to an OPEN discussion of Elenin on your PAS forum.

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ELENIN FACT AND THEROY

Review the evidence and draw your own conclusion of what fits!
FACT
Presently, there is a lot of information on the Internet about an inbound heavenly body called Elenin or technically C/2010 X1 making an orbit around the sun and passing close to earth from September to November 2011. The existence of Elenin is confirmed on several of NASA’s websites including the JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratories) site, where you can view a 3-D orbital depiction of Elenin along with the entire solar system over time. Elenin is coming for sure; this fact is not being debated by any credible source.

CONFLICTING THEORY’S
What are being vigorously debated are three key elements of Elenin.
#1. WHAT ELENIN IS – A COMET, BROWN DWARF STAR, OR PLANET?
#2. WHAT DAMAGE HAS ELENIN ALREADY INFLICTED ON THE EARTH?
#3. WHAT DAMAGE IS ELENIN CAPABLE OF AS IT PASSES CLOSE TO EARTH?
In each question above, we will explore NASA’s official explanation and then contrast that with what NASA’s own website orbital simulators display; and what other expert’s extensive research indicates; which contradicts the official NASA story.

#1. WHAT ELENIN IS?
NASA: NASA’s spokesman Don Yeomans, of the famous NASA JPL Lab (Jet Propulsion Lab) in Pasadena, California says Elenin is a harmless little Comet, which will quietly pass through Earth’s orbit with no effect. NASA leaves the door open that it could be something else; but does not say specifically what it could be.

OTHERS: There is a growing body of credible evidence that ELEnin is not a harmless Comet, but rather an extremely dense Brown Dwarf Star that some have calculated to have a mass similar to the planet Jupiter. Attached are a list of related articles that offer more information on this.

#2. WHAT DAMAGE HAS ELENIN ALREADY INFLICTED ON THE EARTH?
NASA: NASA states that Elenin has not done anything significant to the earth so far. Don Yeomans, of NASA’s Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena stated: “Right now, that comet looks kind of wimpy”. “Comet” Elenin will not influence us in ANY WAY, here on Earth.”

OTHERS: There is a wide body of evidence both from recognized astronomical experts, as well as – interestingly enough – from NASA’s own JPL website orbital simulators that clearly demonstrate a direct correlation between ELEnin’s periodic inbound alignments with the sun and earth, called conjunctions, and numerous earthquakes including several recent monstrous ones. Both the February 27, 2010 Chilean 8.8 quake and the March 11, 2011 Japanese 9.0 quake happened within one day of an ELEnin conjunction; a direct alignment with the Sun and the Earth.

#3. WHAT DAMAGE ELENIN IS CAPABLE OF AS IT PASSES CLOSE TO EARTH?
NASA: Bob Yeomans, NASA’s rep states “my subcompact automobile will have a greater effect on the Earth’s tides than Elenin”. NASA dismisses the potential for catastrophic damage that credible astronomers say is all but certain.

OTHERS: Many astronomical experts including Dr. Mensur Orembashich predict that based on the size of the earthquakes that occurred when Elenin was 200,000,000 to 600,000,000 (2 to 6 hundred MILLION) miles away from earth; the potential for substantially increased damage in comparison to the 9.0 Japanese quake and Tsunami is very likely.

ADDITIONAL INTERESTING FACTS
Here are some interesting facts about ELEnin and other world events.
1. For those old enough to recall, visits from past comets (Kohoutek 1973, Halley’s Comet 1986, Hale-Bopp 1997) and numerous visits from much smaller and much lesser heavenly bodies received widespread, saturation level mainstream media coverage for many months and even years before their arrival; yet ELEnin, which is reportedly much larger and is expected to have a much greater gravitational and electro magnetic effect on earth than any of last centuries well covered lesser comets is radio silent on the mainstream media stage! The fact of the absence of Elenin media coverage cannot be disputed, and is raising a lot of eyebrows that it is being hidden so as to conceal the real danger of Elenin and avoid panicking the general public.
2. Several people have tried to locate this obscure “amateur Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin” and have not been able to find him despite an intensive search. When past astronomers identified heavenly bodies, they instantly became media darlings and were easily accessible, widely interviewed and frequently quoted. Why is this astronomer so conspicuous by his absence?

3. The specific projected dates of Elenin directly off of the NASA JPL website are surreal in that some of their occurrences are happening on historically significant dates.
A. The date of its apex as it orbits the sun (the perihelion) is September 11, 2011, ten years to the day after the attacks on the World Trade Center. (Window of September 9-12, 2011)
B. The date of the second conjunction is September 26, 2011. (Window of September 24-28, 2011)
C. The date of Elenin being closest to earth is October 16, 2011. (Window of unknown duration in much of Oct)
D. The date of its third conjunction is November 22, 2011, 48 years to the day after the Assassination of JFK.

4. NASA sent out an e-mail on or near June 10, 2011 to every employee to make sure they have a disaster preparedness plan and to review how to implement it. It has been viewable on YouTube for over a month.

5. FEMA is widely reported to be buying up all the MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat) it can get its hands on, millions of them. Why the sudden rush to buy these disaster preparation meals if there is not an urgent need for them?

6. Dr. Mensur Omerbashich, a noted Bosnian astrophysicist has a white paper that is currently on file at The Cornell University Library that hypothesizes a direct correlation between numerous planetary alignments and M6+ seismic activity. The existence of this paper is a fact; the correlation is described below in the theory section.

ADDITIONAL INTERESTING THEORY
1. NASA and other respected government sites have acknowledged Elenin, as denying its existence would discredit them and raise suspicion even higher that Elenin’s impact on earth could be catastrophic. NASA dismisses the possibility of earthly damage by Elenin as being very unlikely, which again is theorized as a deliberate misinformation campaign to avoid panicking the public.

2. It is widely reported on the Internet that the entire story about Elenin being found by an obscure amateur Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin is a NASA PSYOP code language cover story. For one thing, Leonid is the name of a reoccurring meteor shower and Elenin, (I.E. ELEnin) is quite likely a NASA code for an “Extinction Level Event Nibiru Impact Nemesis”, coming to our earth.

3. Some are questioning whether the gravitational and electro-magnetic effects (possible pole shift) of Elenin may have the potential to cause an Extinction Level Event (ELE), much like the giant Asteroid from the Baptistina family that is widely believed to have hit the Yucatan peninsula roughly 65 million years ago, killing off the dinosaurs.

In Dr. Mensur Omerbashich’s, white paper referenced above, he shows compelling evidence that illustrate a strong correlation between planetary alignments and M6+ seismic activity. His vast body of research indicates a GREATER THAN 90 PERCENT CORRELATION between astronomical alignments and seismic activity. Dr. Omerbashich’s white paper has not been “officially” published by a recognized periodical, but it is posted on The Cornell University Library list of documents. You can view and download a copy of this most important white paper, which clearly correlates astronomical alignments with seismic activity, at the following website: http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2036

The Cornell University Library, 11-Apr-2011
Title of the Article: Astronomical alignments as the cause of ~M6+ seismicity

CONCLUSION
Of course, we can not know for certain what level of destruction, if any that Elenin has is store for the earth until it happens, and on which exact dates. The corollary evidence of alignments causing earthquakes is compelling enough that many believe this correlation should be widely distributed in the hope that it may lead people to seek safety during peak alignment periods and save many lives. Attempts are being made to encourage local astronomical groups to look for Elenin themselves and assess its size. Please look unemotionally at the evidence and ask yourself, which scenario seems more realistic. If you think there is a chance that ELEnin could be responsible for the earthquakes that consistently occur during it’s alignment with the sun and the earth, please consider informing any friend or loved one you know that lives in a coastal or earthquake prone area to strongly consider seeking high ground the week of November 17-22 2011.
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I checked this out. the dire predictions about Comet Elenin are *bogus*. it is a relatively small comet, and it won't even be close. with a little luck we might even be able to see it when it gets closer, but only with a telescope from a dark sky site. at its best, it will still be much fainter than Hale Bopp or other recent visible comets (that weren't suspected of causing earthquakes).

Comet Elenin at its closest will be **22 million miles** from us. do you realize how far that is? that is more than half the distance from Earth to either Mars or Venus (at their closest). which means that the comet would have to be *massive* (e.g. larger than the Moon) to have any influence at all on Earth, tides, earthquakes, etc. and if that were the case, it would already be a naked-eye object. but it isn't. it's a few miles across, i.e. much less than 1% of the Moon's diameter, which is not a problem at all at that distance. there are plenty of NEO's and asteroids that are larger and closer and don't do us any harm.

the guy who wrote to you claims that there are "credible" sources that connect the comment with recent earthquakes, but these sources are not "credible". they are BOGUS. please see the discussion on Phil Plait's blog: http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....Of-Earthquakes

also see the NASA press release:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-135
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Tony, there are valid sources of information and non-valid sources. how can we tell the difference? the valid sources make sense and the non-valid sources don't.

please see the discussion on Phil Plait's blog http://www.bautforum.com/showthread....Of-Earthquakes
and you will see that their arguments *make sense*.

Comet Elenin is a *small comet*. it is not a brown dwarf, minor planet, or anything like that.

also - when a comet is reported (even a small and very faint one), amateur astronomers around the world start taking photos and making videos. from its motion, you can tell its size also. (this can be calculated by Kepler's laws.) so you don't have to ask people to "try to look for it". lots of experienced amateur astronomers are already doing that, and amazingly, what they have found is what the "mainstream media" is reporting.

if it weren't - don't you think the "mainstream media" would love to publish a scoop like that? there is a reason why they don't publish conspiracy theories.

here are the reports by amateur astronomers who regularly look for *every* faint comet that comes by:

http://www.aerith.net/comet/weekly/current.html

PAS is a group of serious amateur astronomers who are interested in TRUTH. not hoaxes or bogus claims.

if you are interested in truth, then you will look at valid sources of information like the ones I listed here, and not at conspiracy theories.
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Tony writes:

Attached is a news story that hit today, Wed 7/27, that raises some excellent points. I just want someone with a large telescope to go looking for Elenin and tell me what they see. Even if it is a brown dwarf star, Dave H and others have led me to believe that it should be close enough to be seen.

Again, all I ask is for one person to withhold condemnation until the investigation is done. Is that reasonable?

If I have to pay someone to use lightbuckets.com or pay Jack Newton, that is not a problem. The evidence to me seems more likely that Elenin is something MUCH larger than a comet, and if so this information is extremely valuable.

Thanks again for all your prompt and thorough replies, I look forward to getting to know your group.

Thanks,

Tony Tangalos

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July 27, 2011
On December 10, 2010, just a few short months ago, supposedly a Russian amateur* astronomer by the name of Leonid Elenin, using a 0.45-m (about 18 inches) reflector telescope, discovered a "comet" that is destined to pass relatively close to Earth in September, October and November of 2011 (this year).
You can read the Wikipedia page about Elenin here: Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
There are many troubling factors regarding this alleged "comet." In the video below, I use the trajectory tool from NASA's jet propulsion laboratory to reveal three very incredible "coincidences." These are very alarming, or at least they are to me.
Using this tool, I show that three devastating earthquakes of the past year have all happened on the exact day, or within a couple of days, of a perfect alignment of the Sun, the Earth, and Elenin. To tool in the video below is taken directly from NASA's website. You can replicate what I do in the video by going to NASA's website and using the tool yourself.
There are three major earthquakes, and each is associated with an alignment of Elenin, Earth, and the Sun. Here are the dates, alignment, and distance of Elenin from Earth:
******** Date*************************** Location************ Alignment************ Distance******** Magnitude
February 27, 2010**** Pelluhue, Chile******* Elenin-Earth-Sun**** 6.04 AU************** 8.8
September 4, 2010** Christchurch, NZ**** Elenin-Sun-Earth***** 6.26 AU************** 7.2
March 11, 2011******** Tohoku, Japan******** Elenin-Earth-Sun**** 2.16 AU************** 9.0
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As I see it, there are two possibilities. First, Elenin is indeed merely a comet and these alignments are mere coincidence, and nothing more. Once would be a mighty large* coincidence. Twice would be borderline far-fetched. Three times goes beyond the realm of coincidence in my mind, and leads me to rule out mere chance. I'm leaning towards a connection between Elenin and earthquakes.
Which brings up the second possibility, that Elenin is somehow involved with triggering devastating temblors here on Earth.
I find it very peculiar that "Leonid Elenin" discovered this celestial body (I am not calling it a comet for reasons that will follow). There are only two pictures of Leonid Elenin online. This person seems to not have existed before 2008. That makes me wonder...
Also, amateur astronomers that I've talked to report that "comet" Elenin cannot been found in the sky where it is reported to be, even though it is much closer than Jupiter. If Leonid could discover, with an 18-inch telescope, this "comet" over three months ago when it was more than twice the distance from the Earth compared to now, why can't amateur astronomers using the same 18-inch telescope view Elenin today, especially when it's location is directly pin-pointed by NASA?
Is it possible that Elenin isn't a comet at all? To me, that seems likely. If it is not a comet, then what exactly is it? That's a question that I have for NASA. Could Elenin be dark matter? A brown dwarf star? Something as yet undiscovered? After all, the first brown dwarf was discovered just 17 years ago, in 1994.
If Elenin is just a comet, it certainly would NOT have the gravitational pull necessary to stress the Earth's crust to the degree needed to cause the earthquakes listed above. If Elenin is a brown dwarf, that would explain why it cannot be seen, as brown dwarfs are very difficult to detect.
An astronomical unit (AU) is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. If Elenin has caused the earthquakes listed above when it was several AUs from Earth, how much worse will be the damage when it is less than half of an AU from Earth?
I claim not to have the answers. Nor do I claim that the future dates shown in the video above will witness catastrophic events here on Earth. What I do know is those earthquakes happened. I do know that this trajectory tool for Elenin's path is provided by NASA. I do know that every time there was an Earth-Sun-Elenin alignment, there was a severe earthquake here on Earth. I do know that NASA's tool shows Elenin coming much, much close to Earth later this year. I do know there are two more alignments yet to come. I do know Earth will be passing through Elenin's path.
Regrettably, I also do know there is a total silence from officialdom regarding the issues raised in my video.
Why?
Lastly, for the conspiracy-minded, if Leonid Elenin doesn't exist (as there are no records of him existing prior to 2008), who chose the name of this fictitious person, and why? Leonid translates to "meteor shower."
I'll have more to say about this in the coming days...
Elenin update 5-18-2011:
Cornell University has just published a paper by Dr. Mensur Omerbashich of the European Royal Society, and is titled, "Astronomical alignments as the cause of M6+ seismicity."
You can view it here: Comet Elenin
Dr. Omerbashich concludes that "Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) has been adding to robustness in terms of very strong seismicity since 2007," and that "Elenin will continue intensifying the Earth's very strong seismicty until August-October, 2011."

Elenin update 7-26-2011:
As comet Elenin draws nearer, there are images being captured from various sources and posted around the web. I've gathered a few of the more intriguing ones and posted them on a separate page. Go here to see various images of comet Elenin.
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In the coming days and weeks I will be continuing to publish updates regarding the approach of Elenin, and what disasters might unfold as a result. In discussing this with my scientific sources, those disasters will not be limited to earthquakes. I would invite you to subscribe to my daily report in order to receive new information in the most timely manner possible.
- Oliver
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Thumbs down Why is Saturn Still around?

One more bit of simple proof -

If you track Elenin's path back to when it was out near Saturn (Nov 2009-ish), you'll find that it passed relatively (in astronomical terms) close to Saturn. If Elenin was as massive as these new age, buy my silver, "experts" claim, Saturn would have been torn from its orbit and would be far from the normal position that my 4 year old scope regularly finds. The rings would be a mess and the object in question would already be visible to many observers with better weather than we're having here in the Valley of the Clouds.

The part that's so mind boggling is the fact that the doomsday "experts" really do have a bit of intelligence. Unfortunately, it seems to be being used for personal gain (did you order this month's allocation of silver? Don't forget to con, er "invite" your friends.). Imagine how much more useful it would be if these luminaries spent time on real issues...

The real fun will occur when all of these lunatics have to back peddle and explain their ignorance and verbal assaults on people that actually do speak from a position of knowledge. I wonder if we'll get any media coverage of THAT event.

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Talking Causal Relationship, or convenient occurrence?

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September 4, 2010** Christchurch, NZ**** Elenin-Sun-Earth***** 6.26 AU************** 7.2
That's a joke, right ? Even as a brown dwarf, accepting that this thing affected us "THROUGH" the Sun is worth writing up in the Darwin's Waiting Room Awards.

However, it is interesting that on the day that Elenin was 90º off of the Moon's position at sunset in Borneo in 2010, I had the worst case of dysentery that I've witnessed in over 50 years of life on this planet. Causal relationship? Only you can decide for yourself .

How did I ever get myself tied up in this ?
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